The Electroglide Competition has returned after two months of rain delays. The weather gave us a beautiful blue-sky weekend. Wind was nonexistent at the 10:00 a.m. start, when 10 pilots launched into the pretty San Diego morning.
The lift was hard to find on that first launch, perhaps because of the lack of any wind. Arthur Markie, who just joined the Electroglide Competition this year, had the longest flight at 6:15 minutes and picked up a 20-point bonus landing. Scott Vance had a good flight at 5:15 minutes, also getting a 20-point landing. The rest of us had flights in the three- and two-minute range. Alex Sutton picked up a 20-point landing, George Sullivan and Dennis LaBerge both got 10-point landings.Continue reading →
It was a beautiful fall Saturday when we held the Last Electroglide for this year. The Santa Ana was still hanging around, 17% humidity, 81 degrees and a breeze from the west. That created some good lift conditions coming off Sea Worlds parking lot.
I took sick shortly before first launch. Club President Jim Bonnardel kindly took over giving pilots an entertaining banter while competing.
First launch had six pilots up and headed west. Scott Vance and Alex Sutton found the lift at the far western edge of our flight area. Alex had a flight time of 9:25 with a 20-point landing and Scott had a flight of 9:11 with a 10-point landing. Fred Daugherty, an experienced glider pilot, had the third longest flight time at 2:36. That hints of a tricky or tight column of lifting air.
Second launch had all pilots trying for the western lift spot again. Alex, Fred and Scott found a tight column and were working it well when an approaching full-size helicopter was spotted. Jim warned and then had to call all pilots back to our field. That created a “do over”. Jim reset the event clock and pilots relaunched with our flight area now clear. Alex Fred and Scott found the lift again and worked it well. Alex came back at 9:33 with another 20-point landing. Fred came back at 9:23 and Scott had a 9:15 aloft with a 20-point landing. Stephen Treger also picked up a 20-point landing.
Third launch was much shorter with flight times. The tight lift columns seemed to have disappeared. Scott had the long one at 2:35 with a 20-point landing. Alex and Fred both had times at 1:45, Fred picking up a 20-point landing. Stephen also getting another 20-point landing.
Forth launch also had short times. Scott had a 2:50 aloft with a 20-point landing. Alex had a 2:21 with a 30-point landing and Stephen had a 2:03 with a 30-point landing.
All told it was a nice way to finish up our 2018 season. I wish I was well enough to fly, the long flights in the first two rounds looked fun.
Scott Vance led the day in total points at 216. Alex Sutton came in second at 211 points and Fred Daugherty was third at 136 points.
Thanks to Frank Sutton for the pictures of this event.
The trophy awards and raffle prizes for the year will be awarded to Electroglide pilots at our next club meeting on October 27th.
It was a fun Electroglide this past Saturday morning. Blue skies, a mild WNW breeze of 8 mph, and an air temperature of 77 degrees.
On first launch seven pilots took to the skies shortly after 10:00 a.m. We all tried to find the lift, two of us found it in the NW area of our field. Flight times really stretched out with my time aloft at 9:24. Second longest aloft was Alex Sutton at 9:04 with a 30-point landing. Third place for that round went to Carlos Mercado at 3:28 with a 20-point landing.
The second launch had us all heading to the NW section of our flight area. Scott Vance got the long flight at 8:58 with a 20-point landing. I came in second with a flight of 8:49 and a 20-point landing. Alex came in third at 5:21 with a 20-point landing.
Third launch had us all in the NW corner again finding that great lift, when the police helicopter turned and started to cross our flight area. Word was immediately shouted to all and we pushed sticks forward, diving for the runway. The flight area was cleared very quickly, we retrieved our aircrafts, waited a few minutes, then reset the time clock and launched again.
This launch was into a slightly stronger wind and it was disturbing the lift we had recently enjoyed. Longest flight went to Scott at 7:28 with a 20-point landing. Alex came in second at 5:35 with a 30-point landing and I came in third at 5:04 with a 30-point landing.
Forth and final launch had us in the lift again. The NW section was working great with flight times in the 9- and 8-minute range. The longest time aloft was earned by Scott at 9:27 with a 30-point landing. I came in just before him at 9:05 with a 30-point landing and Fred Daugherty had 8:36 aloft.
A very fun day with solid lift coming our way. Many pilots scoring bonus landing points added to the high scores. This makes for great competition and the skill shown by all pilots in working the lift and lining up their landings correctly made for great day.
Thanks again to Frank Sutton for being our photographer.
The next Electroglide will happen on October 20th. First launch is at 10:00 a.m.
So how about a June Gloom in August? That’s pretty much what we had last Saturday morning. At 10:00 a.m., Lindbergh Field was reporting 3 mph variable winds and a 3000 ft cloud base.
Nine pilots showed up to brave the cloudy skies and at the first launch at 10:00 we all headed WNW in search of lift. It was very hard to find, and flight times were short. I had the longest at 4:17, Alex Sutton was next at 3:19 and Scott Vance had a 3:15 aloft. Scott, Bob Stinson and Fred Daugherty all picked up 20-point landings.
Second launch saw some better flight times with Scott getting the long flight at 7:40 plus a 30-point landing. Bob came in second at 5:08 and Alex had a 4:32 flight time plus a 20-point landing. Dennis La Berge also picked up a 30-point landing. I, Fred, George Sullivan, Alex and Mark Anderson all picked up 20-point landings.
For the third launch, many of us found the lift in our NW flight area. Fred had the longest flight at 9:40 with Scott coming a close second at 9:36 wit a 20-point landing. Bob had the third longest flight at 9:27 plus a 30-point landing. Dennis and I also picked up 30-point landings. George and Mark picked up 20-point landings as well.
One distressing part of that third launch was that a full-scale biplane flew through our flight area. It was a quick mover, looked like a small stunt aircraft and was flying east to west. None of us saw it coming, engine noise sounded like a motorcycle traveling along Sea World Drive. Before we could react, the biplane was about 200 feet above our gliders.
We will be placing a dedicated watcher to warn us all if another aircraft approaches the flight area.
Third and final launch was a bit of a dud. That wonderful lift that was there for the third launch was gone and flight times suffered. The longest flight was earned by Mark at 4:40 with a 20-point landing. Bob had the second longest at 3:08 and Alex came in at 3:01. Mark and I picked up 20-point landings and Scott picked up a 10-point landing.
Point total winners for the day were Scott Vance at 221. Bob Stinson was second place at 176. Dennis LaBerge and I tied for third with 159 apiece.
A tricky day for flying gliders but many pilots earned extra points by landing in the target circles. Good work guys.
A special thanks goes out to club member Frank Sutton for the enclosed pictures
The next Electroglide is set for September 15th at 10:00.
The Electroglide this month happened in clear but windy conditions. There were high thin clouds painted on blue skies over Mission Bay. At 10:00 a.m., Lindbergh Field was reporting westerly winds of 12 mph and visibility of 10 miles.
Several pilots flew their gliders before the contest start time, checking on the lift conditions. Some lift could be found high up, just south of the boat launch area. There were seven pilots ready to brave the winds at the 10:00 a.m. start time. Six Radians and one open class glider.
First launch had most of us heading WNW to the expected lift area. Only Scott Vance and Bob Stinson found good lift. Scott came back at 6:01, also getting a 20-point landing. Bob came in at 5:51 and I came in at 4:13, also placing a 20-point landing. Fred Daugherty picked up a 20-point landing and Carlos Mercado picked up a 10-point landing.
Second launch seemed to be in a bit stronger wind. This must have disrupted the thermal patterns because flight times dropped. Scott again had the longest flight at 4:01, also adding a 10-point landing to his flight score. Carlos had the next longest flight at 4:00 but greatly added to that with a 30-point landing. Bob was third in that launch, coming back at 3:46 with a 10-point landing. Bonus landing points were also earned by Fred, Stephen Treger and myself at 20-points; George Sullivan earned a 10-point landing.
On the third launch I succeeded in lousing my airplane, recovering only when Jim Bonnardel alerted us that a Radian was flying near the FPV area and all of us pilots were looking towards Sea World. It was mine I’m sorry to say. I must quit flying someone else’s airplane and pay attention to my own. I had just enough altitude left to make it to the runway and score the Lucky Dog award, a whopping 12-points for me on that round.
Most everyone had a flight of five minutes or less, but Bob Stinson and George Sullivan managed to stay in the air by working the lift over the Palm trees near the boat launch area. Bob had a flight time of 9:30 and George had a time of 9:26. Nice work of flying and reading their aircraft.
Landing in the increasing wind was difficult as all aircraft were coming back without motor power. With the wind from the rear, this made the rudder and elevator response sluggish. The final turn into wind and landing took up a lot of airspace. Bob and George did make the runway but landed east of the target circles. Carlos had the third longest time of 5:06. Scott and Stephen were the only ones to get bonus landing points, 20 and 10-points respectively.
The fourth and final launch found the wind disrupting any thermals. Scott had the longest flight, coming back at 5:49. Next was Fred at 4:41 with a 10-point landing. George was third at 3:26. Fred being the only pilot to score a bonus landing credit for that final round. Two pilots couldn’t get back to the field because of the wind and thus scored no points.
Total point winner for the day was Scott Vance with 177-points. Second place was Fred Daugherty at 133-points and third place was Bob Stinson at 126-points.
Flying a glider in strong winds with only 20 seconds of motor run time is a hard thing to do. Congratulations to all the pilots that picked up bonus landing points, that was hard as well. Challenges like this make us all better pilots.
Next Electroglide is scheduled for August 18th. 10:00 a.m. is first launch.
This was one tough Electroglide last Saturday. Lindbergh field was reporting South West winds of 10 mph with overcast skies at 10:00 a.m. Temperature was around 64 degrees. Perhaps this is the reason some Electroglide pilots decided to stay home. Four eager pilots did come out with their Radians and the contest began shortly after 10:00 a.m.
First launch was against a strong South wind, so we all decided to launch from the Northern edge of our runway. This worked well, but there was little lift to be found on this round. Landings proved to be the real challenge though. Of the four aircraft launched, only Alex Sutton managed to land back on the runway. All others came down in the weeds north of the runway. I don’t know what the flight times were for the off-field landings because no scores are awarded. Alex’s time was 2:47 and being the first (and only) pilot landing on the runway, I’m giving him the Lucky Dog Award. His flight time was worth 17-points but with the Lucky Dog it gets doubled to 34-points. He also managed a bonus landing of 20-points so that round gave him a respectable 54-points. Nice job Alex!
Second launch was again from the North edge of our runway. Flight times improved with pilots now learning how to work the wind lift. Fred Daugherty had the long flight but came up inches short of the runway’s north edge so no score. Alex had the next longest flight coming back to the field at 4:55. Carlos Mercado came in at 4:03 and picked up a 20-point landing.
Third launch, again into the South wind yielded short flight times. Alex had the longest flight at 2:18, Carlos came in next at 2:12.
Forth and final launch was again a quick one. Alex had the longest flight at 2:41 plus a 10-point landing. Fred had a flight of 2:10 and a 10-point landing. Carlos was aloft for 2:00 getting the Lucky Dog award and picking up a 20-point landing.
Winner for the day is Alex Sutton with 125 total points. Second place is Carlos Mercado at 113 points and Fred Daugherty came in third.
Like I mentioned in the start of this report, the weather conditions made flying a glider difficult. Landings are done without power for this contest. This forces the pilots to judge sink rate, altitude and how well their aircraft will penetrate the cross wind in attempting to make a field landing. A tricky thing.
It’s great to see these pilots adjusting to the given conditions and making a field landing, plus hitting the odd target circle for extra points. This is how we become better pilots. By flying in less than ideal conditions, adapting and learning in the process.
Thanks to Frank Sutton for the pictures.
The next Electroglide is set for July 21st, first launch is 10:00 a.m. Maybe we’ll have clear skies, Sea World thermals and a light westerly breeze.
A May Gray day it was last Saturday. Winds blowing from the south at 5 mph for the 10:00 a.m. start.
First launch had Nine pilots taking to the sky, seven Radians, one Easy Star and one open class glider. The lift was there, up high towards the north west. It took a near vertical climb out on launch to get high enough to where the lift was, only Alex Sutton, Steve Gobel and myself got lucky and found it.
Alex had the long flight at 6:40 minutes with a 10-point bonus landing. I had a 6:37 flight and Steve had a flight of 4:45 minutes with a 30-point landing.
Other bonus landing credits earned were by Fred Daugherty for 10-points. Jon Graber and Carlos Mercado both earned 20-point landings on that first round.
Second launch two minutes later found no lift. We all tried the same spot in the sky to no avail. My flight was the longest at 3:32 minutes, Alex Sutton came down at 3:20 and Steve Gobel had 2:40 minutes aloft. Strange that just two minutes after concluding that first launch, such a change in weather conditions can occur.
Extra points earned through spot landings are a way to adjust to the lack of lift and that second launch had one 30-point landing, myself. Two 20-point landings, Alex and Fred, and three 10-point landings earned by Steve, Stephen Treger and Carlos.
Third launch found a slight improvement in conditions. Fred and Rich Rogers had the longest flight time of 4 minutes, 19 seconds each. Two 20-point landings were earned by Stephen and Jon, and Alex picked up another 10-point landing.
Forth and final launch had flight times increasing a bit more. Fred had the long flight at 5:42, and Carlos a close second at 5:29. Alex came in third with a 4:55 minutes aloft. Bonus landing credits were earned by many. I earned a 30-point landing. Steve, Fred, Stephen and Carlos all earned 20-point landings, and Rich Rogers picked up a 10-point landing.
It was great to see so many pilots landing in the target circles and earning bonus points. Paying attention to sink rate, estimating wind speed before making that final turn and having the correct altitude to land where they needed to. All without a motor to help, it’s a hard thing to do. So, congrats to everyone that day for flying so well.
Winner for the day was myself at 173 total points. Second place was Steve Goebel at 163-points and third place goes to Alex Sutton at 153-points.
Thanks again to Frank Sutton for the Electroglide pictures.
Next Electroglide is set for Saturday, June 16th. First launch is 10:00 a.m.
Last Saturday was one beautiful day for our Electroglide. Clear skies, 71 degrees and a NW wind. The wind would later increase and be a slight problem for us, but long flights were still made by some. Sam Halderman from the Escondido Wing Masters R.C. Club drove down and joined us for the contest.
First launch was at 10:00 and nine pilots took to the blue skies. Six Radians, one Easystar and one open class motor glider. I managed to get the first long flight at 7 minutes, 10 seconds. Alex Sutton came in second at 6:18, Rich Rogers was third with a flight of 5:26 plus getting a 20-point landing. Dennis LaBerge also picked up a 20-point landing. Steve Treger and Sam Halderman both got 10-point landings.
The second launch was into some increasing north west wind that affected the thermals coming towards us from Sea World’s parking lot, so flight times were a bit shorter. Jim Bonnardel had the long flight of 5:20 plus a 30-point landing. I came in second at 4:51 with a 20-point landing and Dennis La Berge was third at 4:10 minutes aloft. Sam Halderman again got a 10-point landing.
The third launch was into some tricky conditions. It took careful attention in watching our aircraft to stay aloft. Most flight times were under 5 minutes, but Jim Bonnardel showed us how to do it with an amazing flight time of 10 minutes and scoring a 20-point landing. I came in second with a 5:16 flight time and a 10-point landing. Sam Halderman came in third at 4:09 and another 10-point landing. Good flying Jim.
The forth and final launch had many of us finding the lift, flight times jumped. I managed the long flight at 8:58. Carlos Mercado came in second at 8:22 plus a 10-point landing and Dennis LaBerge and Alex Sutton shared third place with 6:36 aloft. Dennis picked up a 30-point landing. Stephen Treger and Jon Graber both scored 20-point landings. I would also like to point out that Jon Graber found a good thermal with his little EasyStar-2, staying aloft for respectable 6:20; his longest flight this year.
The winner for the day was yours truly with a total score of 199. Jim Bonnardel came in second at 170 points and Dennis LaBerge was third at 162 points.
This was a good contest on a beautiful day. Good flying by all pilots and many extra points earned with the spot landings. Great work everybody
Also, thanks again to Frank Sutton for all these pictures.
Next Electroglide is set for May 19th, 10:00 a.m. first launch.
Dang! This was brutal, and as one pilot remarked, eleven went out and six returned. I know this sounds like a comment from a war movie, yet the Electroglide contest was a battle. A battle against the elements.
Flying conditions started out as a foggy overcast morning, with the sky starting to clear at 9:30 a.m. A little before 10:00, Scott Vance got his glider up which has a reporting altimeter. He reported that the cloud cover began at 500 feet. So, the first launch proceeded at 10:00 a.m. with eleven gliders going up.
Flight times on that first launch were on the short side, with Bob Stinson getting the longest at 5 minutes 26 seconds plus a 30-point landing. Dennis LaBerge had the next flight time at 4:24 with a 20-point landing. My flight came third at 3:43 with a 20-point landing. Elias Treger and Carlos Mercado both picked up 20-point landings and Alex Sutton scored a 10-point landing.
In the short time between the end of the first round and the second launch, the weather turned against us. The wind changed from a 5 mph South West to a North West 8 mph breeze. Perhaps, this is what caused the cloud cover to drop to around 200 ft. Within 10 seconds of our allowed motor run, our aircraft were disappearing into the cloud cover.
We have all been there, when we were learning how to fly; a momentary loss of sighting of our airplane. We usually recovered sighting after a few seconds and the lesson was learned. Now imagine almost all the aircraft in that second launch disappearing into the clouds. It was like a collective gasp going through us.
My Radian was lost from sight. I cut power and pushed a little down elevator, still no sighting. I released the elevator and added a light left rudder and waited; still no sighting. I released rudder and added down elevator again, still no airplane. This is getting scary! I quit looking where I thought the aircraft should be and scanned a wider area and there it was, heading straight down just above the palm trees along the walking path. I barely recovered before it became a lawn dart. (Have a look at the attached picture called Jeff’s Dart.)
For those pilots who kept clear of the cloud cover or successfully got out of it, the flight times were great. The longest was Fred Daugherty at 9:07minutes. Second was Bob Stinson at 9:00, then Dennis LaBerge at 8:30 with a 20-point landing. The next flight time after Dennis was Stephen Treger at 2:40. His son had a flight time of 38 seconds but picked up the only other bonus landing of 10-points plus the Lucky Dog award. My low altitude recovery gave me a flight time of 49 seconds. Going over the collected score sheets, it looks like we lost four aircraft on that second launch. Brutal!
Third launch had the remaining pilots staying well below the cloud cover so flight times reflected the loss of finding good lift. Fred Daugherty again had the long flight of 2:44 plus a 10-point landing. Bob Stinson had a flight of 2:35 with a 20-point landing and Dennis Laberge had a flight of 2:30 plus a 20-point landing. Alex Sutton, now flying a UMX Radian, had a 30-point landing. Stephen Treger and myself had 20-point landings and Elias Treger picked up a 10-point landing.
Forth and final launch again had short flight times. I had the long flight at 3:11 with a 20-point landing. Dennis LaBerge had a 3:05 with a 20-point landing and Bob Stinson had a flight of 3:00 with a 30-point landing. Fred Daugherty and Stephen Treger both had 20-point landings. Elias Treger again picked up a 10-point landing.
The winner for the day was Bob Stinson with a total point score of 204. Second place went to Dennis LaBerge at 202 and third place was Fred Daugherty at 115 points.
There was some good flying on the third and fourth rounds. Even with the wind, low cloud cover, and short flight times, many pilots were able to gain extra points with the landing bonus credits.
It’s a shame four aircraft crashed during the contest, but the remaining pilots adapted to the weather conditions and flew quite well.
Enjoy these pictures courtesy of Frank Sutton, thanks Frank.
Next Electroglide is scheduled for April 21st. First launch is at 10:00 a.m.
We had a fun Electroglide last Saturday. I don’t think we could have had a better San Diego day. Lindbergh field’s 10:00 a.m. report shows 67 degrees, calm winds, partly cloudy skies with 10-mile visibility.
Eight pilots showed up, one Easy Star, one open class and six Radians took to the sky a little after 10:00.
First launch had us all looking for the lift. Flight times were modest. Dennis La Bergh had the long flight of 8:30, the rest of us were coming down in the mid 4 minutes. Jim Bonnardel and Electroglide newcomer Carlos Mercado both had 20-point landings, Jon Graber had a 10-point landing.
Second launch had conditions changing, a lot! Flight times jumped with five pilots flying beyond 8 minutes. Jim Bonnardel flew the longest for a 9:55 aloft. Roger Ball had a 9:46 and Scott Vance had 9:23 aloft. I got lucky with a 30-point landing. Scott had a 20-point with Jim, Roger and Carlos all getting 10-point landings.
Third launch again yielded some long flights. I had a flight of 9:43 and Roger Ball came in two seconds after me at 9:41. Tom Erickson coming back to the field at 9:17. Tom, Dennis and myself picked up 20-point landings. Jim, Roger and Scott Vance scored 10-point landings. Some good lift on the second and third launches.
The NW wind was picking up for the forth and final launch and made finding the lift a harder thing to do. Scott found some ridge lift near the palm trees in our NW flying area, gently working out the long flight of 8:28. Jim had an 8:02 flight and Dennis had a flight of 8:00. Jim, Scott, Dennis and myself picked up 20-point landings.
Top score for the day was Jim Bonnardel flying in the open class with 250 points. I was flying a Radian and got lucky with my extra point landings bringing me in second at 247 points. Scott Vance came in third at 237 points. Dennis LaBerge was fourth at 227 points. Both flying with Radians.
It was a great day to fly gliders in San Diego. Sunshine, Blue skies, high scattered clouds and thermals. The 10:00 start time is working out well, so we’ll do it again next month on March 17th.
It was a cool and windy start for the Electroglide Contest for 2018. Lindbergh Field was reporting a temperature of 61 degrees, but the WNW wind of 16 mph made it seem colder. Nine pilots braved the conditions and it proved to be a fun time.
First launch had us pushing into a strong headwind that limited gaining a high altitude. If we applied a soft hand on the controls, our aircraft would remain in place, held aloft by wind lift. Flight times were still short. I got lucky with a flight time of 4:52, Scott Vance had a time of 4:18 and Roger Ball had 3:52 aloft. I picked up a 20-point landing and Stephen Treger got a 10-point landing. Because of ground turbulence caused by the wind, extra point landings were hard. Sometimes just making to our runway was difficult.
Second launch found some of us figuring out how to fly in the wind and find a few updrafts. Alex Sutton had a nice flight lasting 6:59 and scoring an extra 10-points on landing. Scott Vance also did well with a 5:56 time and a 20-point landing. Dennis LaBerge came in third with a 4:36 and a 20-point landing. Ken Dresser and myself had 10-point landings.
The third launch proved to be a tough one. Roger Ball’s Radian aircraft lost its rudder due to a mid-air and the rest of us faced a stronger wind with no updrafts. The longest flight was recorded by Dennis at 3:26. I was next at 3:20 and Scott came down at 3:05. I managed to get a 30-point landing, Scott picked up a 20-point and Stephen and Ken each got a 10-point landing.
On the fourth and final launch we had an improvement with the weather. Flight times jumped with Scott coming back down at 6:35. Alex had a 5:22 and I had 5:00 minutes aloft. Ken had a great landing worth 30-points, Stephen and Elias Treger both had 20-point landings. Elias doing that with a wheeled glider, pretty cool. Alex and Dennis both had 10-point landings.
Winner for the day? Scott Vance and I tied for first place with 161 points each. Young Alex Sutton came in second with 135 points. Dennis LaBerge was third at 109 points.
It was impressive to watch how well everyone flew their airplanes in those windy turbulent conditions. Look at the contest pictures taken by Frank Sutton and notice our wind sock in the picture labeled “Up and Away2”.
Some practice time in the air and a light touch on the control sticks are all that is required to have some fun, competitive flying.
Come out and join us for the next Electroglide on February 17th at 10:00 a.m.
Fall is upon us! We had a fair turnout for this month, and a new entry into Radian Class.
Jim Shelton, who has been a top competitor in open class, bought a Radian and decided to give it a go.
We had 9 entries, and a new contestant flying a Calypso (the only one in open class).
The skies did not look too promising, but alas, we had pilots maxing out the clock in round 1 showing that you cant always tell what is going to happen when standing in the pits.
Norm had a fun first round, after launch he was actually watching the wrong plane… we watched one spiral in just missing the bay, and Norm was still thinking he was in the air. It was not until the plane he was watching made the turn to come in to land he realized he was not watching his Radian. Luckily, no damage and he was able to continue the next 3 rounds and still place 4th!
Be sure to come out in November, there may be some fun surprises in store!
Bob Stinson 273
Scott Vance 266
Vince Gonzowski 228
Norm Arndt 182
Jim Shelton 134
Rich Rogers 112
Randy Wyant ??
Next month, another lesson in completing the score sheet…. apparently it was just too much for Randy to figure out!
Novembers E-glide is on the 16th which is as you know…. the 3rd Saturday of the month.