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Dead Stick Challenge

This month’s club event is the:

Not too long ago,  when we were all liquid-fueled RC aviators, a skill that was required, was the mastery of the dead-stick landing. These days, with electric power, hearing someone call “DEAD STICK” is something we simply don’t often hear anymore.  Along with the problem of a nitro engine flame-out going away, so did the needed skill of bringing it back to the field without power.

This event  will test your “emergency return” skills, and reward those who have command of the task.

How it will work:

Rule #1.  DO NOT SACRIFICE YOUR AIRCRAFT.  If during the event, you are not going to make it to the field safely, you can simply power up and come back to try again.  You get 3 attempts.  NOT 3 TRIES.  It MUST BE a “safety for aircraft” abort,  not a “you didn’t do well” abort.

You get 20 seconds of motor on.  Once the motor is off,  the flight timer starts.  Timer ends when model stops moving on the ground.  Points for flight time are accrued. Landing on the runway allows for a time score.  Off field landings are zero.  The position on the runway ONCE MODEL STOPS, can score bonus points.

Scoring will be similar to electroglide where a long glide is helpful and the scoring bonus zones will be larger than the standard electroglide target.

No gliders allowed.

This is a dead stick challenge of a regular airplane not designed to be flown power-off.

If you play Electroglide you will understand because it’s similar. Where the model stops, is where the score is calculated from (unlike spot landing challenge which is where the model touches the runway).   Scoring zones are LARGER than the Electroglide target.

Gliding starts at 10:00am, and like usual,  Meeting, Awards & Lunch afterwards.

Monthly Event – Jet Rally


The Last Flying Concord is an RC – Click the Pic
Everyone will sign up and give some details of their aircraft.  I will close the field at 10am and we will have our “run what you brung” show.  Each participant gets a raffle ticket for each entry.  Then we will do some ‘coordinated’ flights where I put the classes up like: Sport,  Military,  Pusher,  Civilian  etc.  I may narrate during those flights.  Each flight gets a raffle ticket.  Then, we’ll do a “fly for score” where each pilot gets to fly his aircraft (only one if they brought many)  and the “fly for score” gets another raffle ticket.
All raffle prizes are the same value,  and EVERY raffle ticket works.  If you win one,  you can win more.
Rules subject to change prior to the event.  

Poker Fly

The first event for 2024 is the POKER FLY!
Ya gotta know when to hold ’em and know when to fold ’em!
Saturday,  1, 27, 2024  SEFSD    
Poker hands start being dealt at 10:00am   Be there for the pilots meeting!
One of our most simple events,  just take off and land to earn a card to build your hand.
Club meeting and BBQ to follow.

Monthly Event

Civilian Scale Day

Sat 23rd, 10am

Full scale Jovi with a 1/19th scale 737

This will be a fun fly event and each time you fly you will receive a ticket. Up to 5 tickets for a chance to win $35.00. For medals, each pilot gets one opportunity to preform scale techniques, take-off, scale turns, level flying, preform a low fly-by and of course making the perfect landing.

Thank You


Bomb Drop


Saturday,  June 24th  10:00am 

The club favorite returns,
s time for the annual 


This year, we are adding NEW ORDINANCE!

A new twist has been added!  

You can choose your weapon loading the regular bomb 

or the new MEGA BOMB!

At 10:00am the bombs start dropping for score.  

As usual,  $175 in certificates for DHW are up for grabs, 1st through 5th place, and the top three earn the coveted
SEFSD ’23 medal!

Bomb drop devices, and bombs are provided.


Stay for the meeting, awards & lunch afterwards 

Remember,   don’t watch your

watch your

Dead Stick Challenge Event Recap

By Jim Bonnardel

I believe the overwhelming opinion was that the Dead Stick Challenge game is a keeper! This was the first time we tried this event, and it took a couple of players to go through before we fine-tuned the game.

First change was the “Mulligan” rule (and yea we also defined what a Mulligan is, a do-over). At first I was asking pilots to call their mulligan BEFORE the airplane touched the ground, but that proved to be just a tad bit of cognitive stress on the pilots, so we changed it to simply applying power and going again. You still got 3 mulligans for the event.

The next change was we went to 3 “play’s” per pilot because as a competition, it goes really fast. You are done in just a couple minutes.

Last change was only providing 10 seconds of motor on power. I’m SO GLAD we didn’t do 20 seconds! OMG, it was amazing how many pilots were successful right up to 199ft with just 10 seconds of power~!

So with that, we began the game. Pilots did high-power launches to get to their best height and then it was on! Early pilots were treated to calm winds, pilots who launched a bit later, were treated to the typical AM thermals that the Electroglide pilots all love!

George Sullivan was the brave soul that stepped up first. His first RTH (return to home) was not so successful, so as he went out to the field doing the walk of shame, Brad went ahead and launched. Brad, being the first pilot to launch and return, set the bar at 42 seconds of glide, and a BULLSEYE 30 point landing. Well now…. thats showing the gang how its done! There was more excitement as we saw virtually ALL types of aircraft come to the line. EDF, Military, Sport, Micro, & Trainer. Balsa and foam planes!

Corey even stepped up with his Helicopter, and did 3 Autorotation landings that of course gave him the opportunity to be flawless with his landing placement in the target. He was the only pilot to get all bullseye 30pt. landings.
What was also interesting was how the pilot’s paid attention to the contest, and learned from each other VERY FAST! It was Brian G, who very early in the event, did the first DOWNWIND landing and showed how he had so much flight control right up to the stop GENIUS! Pilots watched where the lift bubbles were, pilots timed their landing and then dove in, committing like a pro! The longest flight (coast) of the day was Jim’s 1:51 with a 30 pt landing.  That was a single round worth 131 points!
All in all it was very exciting to watch, and we have to give thanks to the Pilots who KNEW that sign-up order breaks ties (and it DID) and jumped in early, not knowing what the best strategies were. There was 1 tie between Brian G and Bob S who both scored 177. BRIAN got the placement since his sign up was ahead of Bobs. Mulligans were spared (meaning people didnt use them all) because many simply couldn’t remember to use it in time! Remember,  first time with this game… I think we did pretty darn good.

Scores were varied and impressive. Getting 1 point per second of airtime, and then the landing bonus of 30, 20, 15, Scores were worthy!

In Finishing order:

Brad B       16th        123
Steve M      15th       131
Mark D       14th       132
Jon U         12th        163
Bob S        11th        177
Brian G       10th       177 * signed in ahead of Bob S
Larry K       8th         209
Alex S        7th         210
Quan N       6th         223
Jovi           5th         269
Scott V       4th          276
Phil           3rd          277
Bruce D      2nd         314
Jim B        1st          323

Congrats to the winners, THANK YOU to all the pilots for participating. Its the club’s membership that makes these events fun, and through participation, continue.

Next month, BOMB DROP!!

Dead Stick Challenge

This month’s club event is the:


May 27th, 10am
Not too long ago, when we were all liquid-fueled RC aviators, one skill that was required is the mastery of the dead-stick landing. Nowadays, with electric power, hearing someone call “DEAD STICK” is something we simply don’t hear anymore. Since we no longer experience the problem of a nitro engine flame-out, we rarely need the skill of bringing it back to the field without power.

This event will test your “emergency return” skills, and reward those who have a command of the task.

How it will work:

Rule #1. DO NOT SACRIFICE YOUR AIRCRAFT. If during the event, you are not going to make it to the field safely, you can simply power up and come back to try again. 

You get 3 attempts. NOT 3 TRIES. It MUST BE a “safety for aircraft” abort, not a “you didn’t do well” abort.

You get 20 seconds of motor on. Once the motor is off, the flight timer starts. Timer ends when model stops moving on the ground. Points for flight time are accrued. Landing on the runway allows time score, off field landings are zero. Position on runway ONCE MODEL STOPS, can score bonus points.
If you play Electroglide you will understand because it’s similar. Where the model stops, is where the score is calculated from (unlike spot landing challenge which is where the model touches the runway). Scoring zones are LARGER than the Electroglide target.

Scoring will be similar to electroglide where a long glide is helpful and the scoring bonus zones will be larger than the standard electroglide target. 

No gliders allowed. This is a dead stick challenge of a regular airplane not designed to be flown power-off. 

Gliding starts at 10:00am, and like usual, Meeting, Awards & Lunch afterwards.

April’s Poker Fly RECAP

Poker Fly success!!

Hello fellow SEFSD’ers.    I am happy to report that April’s club event,  the Poker Fly,  went off without a problem…. I think for the first time since we started!!!  April’s event was a PERFECT example of how a club member can influence our events with great ideas.   Poker Fly has traditionally been difficult to score,  because as simple as it is to grade Poker Hands,  it gets challenging when there are 40 hands played.  A tip of the hat goes to Bob Anson,  who last year suggested using 3×5 cards instead of the score sheet.   AMAZING.   GENIUS.   PERFECT.    Using the 3×5 cards allowed the contestants to be responsible for holding on to their own “hands”.    At the end,  we only were presented with the hands that were worthy of scoring,  not the plethora of junk hands as was in the past.   Scoring went PERFECTLY,  until at the presentation for awards,  a member shouted out “What about my xxxx hand??” My gut dropped as I thought we had again,  screwed up scoring.    Well,  it worked out that the club member didn’t understand the ranking for his poker hand,  and our scoring WAS PERFECT AFTER ALL!!

Additional thanks goes to George Sullivan,  who played dealer so I could get my flights in,  and Jovi who shared the final scoring duties.    Our event went a bit long as there were LOTS OF CONTESTANTS, and LOTS OF FLYING!  The flights were entertaining,  everyone gave the right amount of courtesy to all pilots to let them get in their 4 flights.  All in all a great “Luck Based” event.   Alex was the “Lucky Dog” with his lowest hand,  and came away with a pair of MG Featherlite servos from Hitec.

Next month,  there is NO LUCK,  its all YOUR SKILLS!   The Medal’s come out next month for the podium finishers. DEAD STICK CHALLENGE.   You get 10 seconds of motor,  glide for time,  land for bonus.  Similar to Electroglide,  but NO GLIDERS (any other aircraft is allowed even MICROS!)  Scoring is where the aircraft stops, not where it touches.

Congrats to the winners,  THANK YOU to all the contestants that played.  Again,  these go away without participants.  I’m looking forward to May, as that is a NEW event for us, be sure to come down and play!

Jim Bonnardel

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Poker Fly

 This Saturday, 4/22/2023 is our POKER FLY!! 
We will be trying a NEW scoring method,
so look forward to something to make it easier!
Poker hands start building at 10:00am and lasts through the hour.
You get 3 cards dealt to you. For each flight, you get another card dealt to you. 
 You want to build the best 5 card hand you can with 4 available additional cards.
Club meeting and BBQ lunch to follow.
The Best Poker Hands and Bluffs from Movies - Borgata Online

May Club Event Recap: Altitude Quest

We got back into the event groove in May,  with April being rained out.    Our “Altitude Quest” game was easy enough for everyone to play,  and the spinner, as well as the altitude meter worked great for everyone.  It always makes me happy when club members play our games for the first time.  

This month we had Joe Rosevear join in his first club contest with an absolutely awesome CLASSIC Dynaflite Wanderer with a power pod.   This charmer of an airplane took its sweet time to get to altitude,  but the whole time everyone was having flashbacks of their early years with home-built balsa kits, and reliving those early days.  I think more than 12 people raised their hands when I asked, “Who here has had/built/flown a Wanderer?”  The Wanderer was first produced in 1975 by Marks Models.   Joe’s score didn’t put him on the podium,  but he did have a great time joining in on our shenanigans.  

Also joining in on the game, Vlad Robin who also is not a usual monthly game participant,  we are happy to see you joining in! I don’t want to forget mentioning Brian Glensky,  who is pretty new to all of our games, he did better than the average score!    
Congrats to the winners,  THANK YOU to all the participants.  Without you playing these games,   they go away.  Your continual participation in the monthly event,  then the monthly meeting,  is what helps truly keep the camaraderie high and the information flowing.

The Results:

Place      Name                   Score
5th        Mary Riney           +9ft
4th        Scott Vance          +5ft
3rd        George Harper     -3ft
2nd       Bruce Driver         -4ft
1st        Steve Manganelli   BULLSEYE @ 199 ft. !

Also,  thanks to Steve Manganelli who has stepped up to handle the monthly contest certificates for the rest of the year.  All of our volunteers have real lives, and sometimes extra errands are just too hard to get done, or even forgotten. Thanks Steve!

Lastly, please remember to THANK the people who are working hard to keep SEFSD functioning, eventful,  fun, and one of the best AMA sites in the USA.   It’s not always easy, it’s not always fun. It’s often demanding of time,  but our volunteers are always, awesome.  Thanks.
NEXT UP….  For April,  POKER FLY! See you on Saturday 4/28/23 10:00am
Your Event Meister –   Jim

Don’t Spill the Beans Event Report

By Jim Bonnardel
Our first event for the year was met with very grey skies, and chilly weather. Weather was likely a factor in the average turnout of 18 sign-ups and 17 competitors.

At 09:45 the sign up sheet was put out. Our chairman, Jovi, had been wanting to be the first to sign up and had actually gotten ahold of the sign up sheet and was told he could not sign up until 10:00. Jovi knew the reason why you want to sign in early for 2023’s events, and thats because all tiebreakers will be decided by sign up order! Well Jovi got to sharing his 2022 video with AMA District 10 President and friend to SEFSD Greg Stone an forgot to watch his watch! 10:00am ticked by and our Treasurer, Steve Manganelli beat him to the punch with being contestant #1. Jovi realized his mistake and got in at #2.

There are some ‘rules’ we will operate under 2023, and that is the sign up sheet will always be the tiebreaker. Granted our games are pretty hard to have exact ties, but it does happen with Limbo which is our next event in Feb.

Beans started flying right after the pilot briefing, and Steve doing his first bean event EVER, did his first out of the gate, with no one showing their strategy, did a very respectable 1:14 flight but he only had 3 beans. The bar was set with room for improvement!

More entertainment ensued with George Sullivan almost donating his plane to Mission Bay, and carrying a RUNCAM onboard! That video is found at: Thanks to Frank Sutton, Georges near loss was captured for your entertainment! I cant believe how long the beans were there, but you gotta watch!

We had several pilots come home with the full load of 20 beans:

NAME Time Place
Bob Anson 0:22 1st
Brad Bender 0:27 2nd
Bruce Driver 0:31 3rd
Jim Richardson 0:34 4th
Ty T 0:54 5th
Phong Tran 0:57 6th

The rest of the pack with beans came in as follows:

Bob Stinson 18 Beans :25
Alex Sutton 14 Beans :38
Steve Manganelli 3 Beans 1:14
Jim Bonnardel 3 Beans and a CRAZY FAST 16 seconds!

Jim lost his beans when his airplane had a hiccup in the middle of the loop, otherwise it could have been a record breaker!

Kudos to:
Phil Barlow
George Sullivan (Loops & Rolls)
George Harper
Quan Nguyen
& Mark Davis

Those gents did their duty to populate the field with bean sprouts. We thank you putting all of your cargo out in the field and adding to diversifying our vegetation index.
Next month,  is the LIMBO event.  Come down and have a great time flying or just watching!

We were visited by the AMA District X VP, Greg Stone, Saturday and he very much enjoyed watching our “Don’t Spill The Beans!” competition.

Don’t Spill the Beans!

January’s Club Event: 

Don’t Spill the Beans! 

Our FIRST event for ‘23 is one  

EVERYONE can participate in! 

Beans & carrying devices are provided. 

You get 20 beans, you do a flight with a loop or roll, and land.   

Beans left in the cup count. 

Leaders get $1.00 per bean PAID CASH MONEY! 


Saturday 1.28.2023 

Beans start flying at 10 am 

Club meeting and BBQ to follow. 

Typical 3S 2200 style airplane preferred.  Not an event for Micro, or Large Scale. 

Warbird Day

OCTOBER’s Club Event: 



October 22nd 2022 10:00 am

Our tribute to warbirds of all types. 

There will be a chance to participate in an “Axis Vs. Allies” Attack of our field! 

Prizes and medals for defending our honor! 

All warbirds for open flying before the runway attack.


3~4cell battery types for Axis Vs. Allies event pls.


Participation earns raffle tickets, all raffle tickets are eligible! 

Meeting and FINAL BBQ of the year to follow.

T28 Pylon Racing Report for Oct 2022

We had a good turnout with 11 pilots going for the gold. As is often the case Quan was fashionably late in arriving  putting him at the very end of the signup sheet. Jovi did a great job of keeping things moving along and keeping the scores.

In the first round of the preliminary races there was some very tight racing with Alex and myself trading places for much of the race—near the end of the race with things a virtual tie Alex made a bad turn giving me enough distance ahead to get the win. A couple races later Otto and Alex tangled at the downwind turn just a couple laps into the race—with both tumbling to the ground. Steve Manganelli waltzed into first place in that round given that 2/3rds of the group had crashed.

Alex had planned ahead and had a second plane ready to go for the finals—and Otto was able to glue the wing back together all within the 10 minute break before the medal race start—amazing what the right CA glue can do with foam.

The results were as follows:

1) Quan
2) Bob Simon
3) Carl

1) Alex
2) Otto
3) Bob Stinson
4) Daric

1) Steve N
2) Glen
3) Steve M
4) Brad

For those looking for “tips and tricks” for racing T28s a good starting place is this guide:

Setting up your T28 to race.

The most important thing that many people miss when starting to race RC planes is that going fast is nothing without control! The FMS T28 is a small plane and setting it up to race IS very different than for your basic sport flying. Getting the CG and control throws dialed in are key to getting the plane to “go fast and turn left” and keep in control. As a racer running at full throttle— the elevator and aileron travels needed are minimal . A properly setup T28 will actually be easy to fly with only small control deflections.

The control throws suggested in the FMS instructions are intended for a plane flying much slower on a 2S battery. We are flying much faster with 3S. Here are the control deflections I have on my plane:
Ailerons: 6mm up 6mm down
Elevator: 3mm up, 3mm down
Rudder: 6mm left, 6mm right
CG measured from edge of wing at fuselage opening 71-72 mm

I like about 30-40% expo on both aileron and elevator—helps make the plane less sensitive around center making it easier to do fine adjustments to the planes track. A little nose heavy help make the plane positively stable in pitch which and the elevator less sensitivity but the recommended CG in the FMS instructions is too nose heavy for my tastes. Too rearward CG locations will make the plane neutral in pitch stability or even negative which will make it more difficult to find a stable track down the course. The trade offs in moving the GC is stability vs turning ability with the aft CG setup being able to turn more quickly. You need to be careful with the CG and elevator throws in that if you get too aggressive the plane will tend to snap roll in tight turns.

If you find the racing setting a little too  mild for take off/landing and general sport flying I suggest setting up a dual rate switch so you can easily swap from one control rate to another.

Some of you did not read my previous article regarding the “AD” for the nose wheel strut—I learned the hard way that on our rough field the stock strut puts the nose wheel too close to the prop which will result in props getting busted when the blade hits the nose wheel rubber. fix is easy—just turn the nose wheel around (be sure to put a flat on the shaft on the opposite side!).

We had a great time—see you at the next T28 race on November 12th!

Civilian Scale Day

September’s Club Event:

Civilian Scale Day

This is your chance to show off your scale airplanes! 
Private and commercial! 
We will highlight and feature scale aircraft across the
hobby spectrum.  If the airplane exists in the real world, and is not military, then this is your event to shine!  Each participation component (flight & display) earns raffle ticket(s), and all of the tickets are in play. If you earn 3 raffle tickets, you could win 3 prizes!  
We will have Scale open flying,  a pilots vote session, and the 
“Oshkosh Hour” 
where any aircraft that would fly in and attend at Oshkosh, 
can earn bonus tickets by flying for judges.
Scale flights begin at 10:am with club meeting and BBQ to follow.

Spot Landing Challenge

August Club Event: 


Saturday, 8.27.22


You get three landings (touch & go) to get a score.   Scoring is where the first wheel makes contact. 


Club meeting and BBQ to follow.

T28 Racing Report for May 2022

Our May T28 races were held May 14th with most of the usual suspects in attendance.  Racing got underway at a little after 10am . Larry had some bad luck starting out when his plane decided to make a hard left turn after takeoff right in to the side of Jovi’s  pickup truck—most of the damage was limited to Larry’s pride but the crash put him out of the rest of the races. After that most of the races were mostly without drama—there were a number of very tight races with planes crossing the finish line wing tip to wing tip. Several of us got tagged by eagle eye Jovi at the starting line for crossing early—protests proved pointless:) 
After the preliminaries were out of the way the finals proved to have some great racing with the Bronze class having a great battle between SteveM and Alex with Steve getting the win. Silver was less eventful with 2 planes dropping out early leaving Alfred and SteveN to go at it with SteveN taking the win. Gold race was a battle between Brad and Otto with Brad proving that you usually will come out the winner if you avoid mistakes–like not cutting turns or jumping the starts!
The next scheduled T28 race is June 11th at 10am. As usual  newcomers and other interested people can find setup and info on the planes and how to set them up at: 
Until next month—go fast and turn left!
Steve Neu

Meeting and Contest for April 2022

April’s Club Event:
We are doing something new for April
A 3 Ring (event) Circus!

Ring #1: Limbo Loops
Ring #2: 30 second power to dead stick landing
Ring #3: Figure 8 Taxi race

For March’s 3 Ring Circus, we will use the typical, 3-cell airplanes under 50″
wingspan. Trojan, Cub, Timber, Visionaire, Apprentice, Extra 300 etc. No motor-
gliders, no drones, fixed wing only. 3 Cell, 2200 mah battery aircraft is desired.

Limbo Loops = Looping around a limbo ribbon 10ft AGL
30 Second to Dead Stick = Power on for 30 seconds. At power off, timer is
started. Longest glide to scored landing using Electroglide target. Off runway
landings do not score.

Figure 8 Taxi Race = 3 laps around 2 cones without leaving the ground.